The thread this is from.
There is one infinite God, who we know as Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus is not ⅓ God, neither is the Father, nor the Holy Spirit. Each is God.
I think that the focus of the Sh’ma on God being one, and the understood deity of Christ is where the trinity doctrine finds its roots. While the doctrine certainly originates in the third century, it does not have its roots in any of the pagan triads or trinities. No, those triads were three gods in unity to become one, and the trinity of Christianity is one God who has revealed Himself three ways.
I believe that much has been added to this doctrine, separating the three persons (modes, representations, manifestations, emanations) of God, and much has been added to this doctrine to blur the lines that separate these persons.
“Timothy, could you please expound on “Each is God”, as this is where the problem exists.
When you say “Each is God” in your mind are you saying Each as in Father=1, Son=2, Spirit=3, each one is a whole, together these One’s are The Supreme Being we call G-d?”
∞ x 3 = ∞
Together these infinites are the Supreme Being we call God. I know the Father to be infinite in nature, I know the Son to be infinite in nature, and I know the Spirit to be infinite in nature, which I get the ∞ x 3 equation from.
Timothy, it creates more [questions], the problem I think that exists and I see this with all Trinitarians, is that if they were to just speak plainly, I think it would sound like polytheism to them as well, and they do not want to give that impression.
Honestly I think the majority of people that embrace the trinity do not fully understand it, and always just look for far out allegories to explain, however, the more we drill down to the simplistic, we always end up at the same place:
Jesus is G-d but He is Not The Father (This is 1)
The Father is G-d, but He is NOT Jesus (this is 2)
The Holy Spirit is G-d, but He is neither The Father or Jesus (This is 3)
If each one of these manifestation are indeed G-d, and they are eternal deities that remain individual and NOT the others, than this is the very definition of a Triad, therefore Polytheistic.
∞ is indivisible
Where I say The Father is not without the Son, and neither are without the Spirit, others say the Father is God (1), the Son is God (2) and the Holy Spirit is God (3), and yet they are one. This speaks against monotheism, and is heresy. It is based in trying to better explain that which is abstract, and thus leads away from the original intent; the trinity is an abstract explanation of the deity of Christ in monotheistic Christianity, anything further is heresy.
Regarding John 8:16, the man Jesus relied on the testimony of those who heard the Voice from Heaven say “This is my Son,” and is not proof that the Son and Father are not the same.
Regarding John 14:26, this is showing that the Spirit is sent in the same manner as the Son, and so to understand separation there, you must preconceive that the Son is separate from the Father.
Regarding Acts 10:38, again this needs the preconception of the Father and the Spirit being separate, and the Father and Son being separate in order to interpret that the son and Spirit are separate.
I like to avoid the idea that the Father is not the Spirit or the Son, the Spirit is not the Father or the Son, and the Son is not the Spirit or the Father because I staunchly believe that God is indivisible and so one part is never without any other in any instance (accepting Jesus’ humanity at the point where he bore all sins on himself). Saying otherwise to me sounds like calling one 2D square face of a cube separate from another face.
I will give one more statement regarding the issue
but the more I expound on my two mathematical statements, the further from the Sh’ma and the deity of Christ I stray, so I do not wish to explain this very much, and will likely be the first to abandon it.
If we human beings are able to understand the vast difference between our nature and God’s, it would be like a 2 dimensional square realizing the difference between itself and a 3 dimensional cube. God has revealed Himself to us in three very personal ways, if we call these persons, modes, forms or what have you, it takes away from the fact that He IS God. The trinity doctrine was formed in an attempt to understand these three ways that God had reveal Himself to us.